after she came home today from the meeting and we had a big discussion about the need for christains to meet together.
she was very concerned that i would not survive the coming big a. i suggested that we start reading the bible together (just to show her i wasn't uninterested )and try to keep up with the wt schedule.
she agreed.
Settle down. More is not necessarily better. Best to do a thorough job on one really good subject than distract her from it with an overdose of lesser ones. Be patient and wait until she tells you she has got the point before you move on.
Try not to use printouts. If you can find proof on your bookshelf, or WTLib, use them first.
i ask this because i was considering rejoining and the stories i have read only remind me of what was done to me.
is there any clean place to go where good people and fellowship can be had.
it sounds like maybe the people here should get together and start there own thing, like the reorganized latter day saints.
I do not feel that I could be a Catholic or any other type of religion.
Hi Jeff.
The WT does a very good job of poisoning other religions to its converts. Even though you left, you are still letting it influence your decisions. Did they put you off the Trinity? Guess what ... they never discussed the Trinity as defined in the Catholic Encylopedia. Never. Not once. They only ever discussed Modalism and pretended that were giving the Catholics a jolly good bashing. Weasel words, trickery, quote mining, the SYBITT brochure was a scam. The short paragraph on John 20:28 was pathetic and didn't address any of the problems they have with it. Take a look. Analyse it for honesty phrase by phrase.
As for the honesty of individual JWs, I can get them to lie to me about their church in easily less than five minutes. It's even easier if there is a Worldly present for an audience. Mormons are the same. Ask the right questions and they'll both lie their butts off to not look like members of crazy cults.
If it doesn't matter to you if the WT has it's faults, why does it matter if the Catholics, the Mormons or the Moonies have faults? If you're going to join a church to use it as a social club, I suggest joining one that won't treat you like scum if you ever leave, & that ain't the Dubs the Mormons or the Moonies.
these guys believe that they are running and directing "god's organization" and it is all based on some flimsy parable interpetation about a master who left a slave in charge while he went away with the outcome uncertain upon his return.
not a very solid case to be pointedly honest.
jesus would have made a better choice of donald trump to run his father's business/watchtower corporation, he's less arrogant and doesn't discourage higher education, and plastic children's toys are not a major concern of his.. what is arrogance?.
That post makes me feel good to be an athiest.
how would you handle a situation where your grandkids are being used by their father to manipulate their grandmother into going to the meeings?
grandkids sending text messages to grandmothers phone asking if she will come to their meeting.
grandmother is no longer attending meetings and doesn't wants to she know ttatt.
It works both ways. There are Ex-Dubs wanting to protect their children from Grandma too.
The way these churches work, if you want to leave and still have your family, you have to be the last one out. Being the first IDs you as Satan's Minion, never to be trusted.
i have been in the borg for decades and never came across the "jelly fish" incident, is this a topic discussed on jwn or is it new to you?
i have talked to lots of people who are victims of sexual abuse, i never knew how bad things were in the past, for young girls, until my mother told me about the evil things grandma's dad did to her and on and on..... .
i believe, i feel like things are better now, but this wicked act still continues and thrives where silence is considered golden like the watchtower organization.
Use the search function and you'll find quite a bit on it. I doubt Rose Ball was ever adopted. She was too old at the time.
so i am not officially da/do yet and my family has shunned me hard.
today crying my mother calls me to beg to see my children... should i let her?
i feel that if you can speak abusive of your own son and wife and shun the.
You are not guilty of anything.
Your mother chose to raise her kids in a church with a history of not having a god that ever bothers to show up to fulfill promises that it's leaders pretend they make on its behalf. This is a risky gamble, because if the god doesn't show up, or the leaders change the god's promises for it, it is highly likely that the kids will eventually realise that the church leaders aren't the channel of communication parents have been telling them they are.
She took a gamble. It didn't pay out. The god never showed up. The church leaders had to change the god's promises. Her kid lost faith in the church leaders and doesn't want her kids following the same bunch of loosers.
Now your mother has to pay the price and it is up to her what price she is prepared to pay. That is her choice .... not yours.
are you like me, afraid of meeting up with faders and ex-jws??
i am afraid to be ratted out.
the only person that i have ever personally spoke to is raypublisher, well on the phone ans skype.
It's better to hang out with Worldlies than Ex-Dubs. They're not as screwed up as us. I hang out at a small 'Cheers' type pub with a great bunch of people and get myself involved in their antics. Never say no if someone want a hand.
i could be wrong of course , but as far as i recall 1925 was not the date of armageddon , but was the date the" princes of the earth" would be resurrected .
the princes of course were faithfull men of old such as abraham issac and jacob, anybody who had a prominent part in gods favour.. witnesses at assemblies after 1925 were constantly awaiting to welcome the resurrected princes of the earth up until the late 1950`s.
these faithfull resurrected men were to lead the rank and file into the glorious new system of christs thousand year reign.. smiddy.
Try this search Smiddy
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=%22Millions+Now+Living+Will+Never+Die%22
i'm new here, i pretty much created this account cause i couldn't find the answer to my question.
and my question is, can jw eat halal and kosher meat?
i was searching online but all i found was that jw dont have any food restrictions besides consuming blood.. if someone can answer my question, please and thank u!.
They do have some pretty weird rules though.
15 Feb 1964 Watchtower, Questions From Readers
What, then, of animal food? May it be used if there is reason to believe there is blood in it? As far as a Christian is concerned, the answer is No, on the basis of principles already mentioned. Therefore, if a Christian discovers that blood components are listed on the label of a container of dog food or some other animal food, he could not conscientiously feed that product to any animal over which he has jurisdiction. He could not conclude that doing so would be excusable, for this would not be a case of an animal killing another animal and helping itself to the blood of that creature. No, this would be a direct act on the part of the Christian, making him responsible for feeding blood to a pet or other animal belonging to him.
daughter missed a call from an elder tonight...we've missed meetings for about a month now.
she is dating a worldly guy and i'm sure someone has seen them together.
makes us nervous and with us being fairly new to the fading facet... should she call or avoid.
Elders are not your friends.
